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What I said to my therapist is ithurts, he explained, onstage at the New Yorker Festival.

It hurt like Woody Allen hurt.
People who on a gut level let you down in a way that you never thought possible.
And with Kanye its also become artistic too.
Its so emotional whats going on with Kanye for all of us, he said.
I tried to explain it to my therapist.
No, no, no, responded Antonoff.
I said, No, no, no.
His music, everything he does, hes done so many incredible things, artistically.
Forgetting his politics, the way hes using his position.
But then also whats clearly mental illness.
I owe a lot to that song.