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What I said to my therapist is ithurts, he explained, onstage at the New Yorker Festival.

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It hurt like Woody Allen hurt.

People who on a gut level let you down in a way that you never thought possible.

And with Kanye its also become artistic too.

Its so emotional whats going on with Kanye for all of us, he said.

I tried to explain it to my therapist.

No, no, no, responded Antonoff.

I said, No, no, no.

His music, everything he does, hes done so many incredible things, artistically.

Forgetting his politics, the way hes using his position.

But then also whats clearly mental illness.

I owe a lot to that song.

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