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But, it beingBig Mouth, it was not so simple.
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The biggest is the idea of a Shame Wizard.
Then our room opens up, and we talk about what the season will look like.
We have this Shame Wizard how will this manifest itself?
What would be a good inciting incident for Andrews shame?
Then it becomes: What are some good examples or ways to express that?
What are different manifestations of how shame would play out in a boy like Andrew?
We just had not seen that combination of characters.
I was interested in the idea of an origin story of how someone got into BDSM.
How do those patterns begin?
Where does this begin?
Have you ever kissed John before?Have I ever kissed John before?
I dont thinkGil and Georgehave ever kissed.
No, I guess not.
Well, Andrew and Nick kissed in season one.
But I dont think any of our other characters have kissed.
There is a romantic quality to Gil and Georges relationship, but it is not sexual.
Like, I believe there was a joke inKroll Showwhere someone assumed they were partners.
I mean, you could not have a more intimate relationship than George and Gil.
I think the joke was that they have been friends and doing drugs for 50 years together.
Undoubtedly, there were definitely a few times where George had sex with Gil.
Or, at least, George definitely pimped Gil out to wealthy Saudi men.
Over the years, we definitely believe strongly that that happened.
The first season of any animated show is made in a vacuum, but what was the timetable?
When the show came out and people responded to what they responded to, we felt pretty good.
What we couldnt have foreseen was the #MeToo movement.
Or we leaned into it in certain places.
I think this last year, a lot of men have had to ask that question.
They arent the angel and devil.
Sometimes they work in contrast with each other, and sometimes they work in tandem.
As I said, I was interested in seeing how shame could inform someones desires.
Like, I am a piece of shit.
I am doing this to you.
We were interested in figuring out where things are working together, for good or bad.
