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Spoilers below forBetter Call Sauls season-four finale.

Rhea Seehorn as Kim.

But thanks to a combination of Werners heartache and Guss heartlessness, Mikes newfound BFF is no more.

Theyre two very different kinds of drama.

One is irrevocable, and one perhaps might still have a shot at redemption.

I dont know whether I can say one was more dramatic than the other.

I think thats one of the big differences between this show andBreaking Bad.

One of the strengths ofBreaking Badwas it was very linear.

This show, there are at least two lines of action.

But I have to say, when we started down this road, it seemed like a tremendous risk.

You decided to jump ahead a full year this season.

These two people have a lot in common.

The first season, we saw Kim smile when he was doing that whole billboard scam.

She enjoys the roguish side of Jimmy, but she believes that has to be put in its place.

She seems to draw a very definite line between scamming and her legal work until this season.

If you squint at it one way, Jimmys dragging Kim down.

If you turn your head and squint at it the other way, shes facilitating his slide.

Kim is a relative blank slate compared to so many regular characters onSaul.

Its really a tribute to Rhea Seehorn.

Her characters not quite like any character Ive seen before.

How do people get the things they want?

How do they decide what they want?

There is a moral dimension, otherwise you just have chaos.

Gus theoretically had a choice of whether to let Werner live.

Did Lalos interference force his hand?

Or was Werner always doomed?I dont think anyones fate is predetermined on the show.

Well always start with the fundamentals.

But we didnt know for sure what Werners fate was gonna be when we introduced him.

Wed been asking ourselves from the beginning: Why does Mike do what he does?

How does he become the person he does onBreaking Bad?

These things emerge very organically.

That sounds really deep.

Anything that makes us sound like we thought things through and got it all figured out, Ill accept.

Having said that, I think Werner does have a lot in common with Gale.

Hes someone whos expediting these terrible crimes and feels hes keeping his hands clean.

But if youre participating in Gus Frings empire and benefiting from it, the blowback could be coming.

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